But what’s the most important thing I need to know about you? – Well, I’m just married with a dog and I like to gamble and some. You know, pretty much my life, spending time with my family and my dog and gambling. – Has that gamble always been there? Can you remember a time when it happened, when it really became prominent? – I always really like to play games but gambling – no, I started playing poker in high school with my friends and that was – I got into it because it was a game but then the whole gambling element makes it even more exciting because sometimes the games become repetitive. But in gambling there’s so much chance that every day is different. You never know what’s going to happen. It’s always an adventure. – And did that – did you ever have a problem with money, with – you know, because obviously gamble comes with money unless you’re doing it for sweets or whatever. – Yeah. – You’re going to lose some. How do you feel around the financial side of things? – You know, I never had really a problem with thinking about with money because when I first started playing poker, I was a broke high school kid and I had no money and I made a lot of money playing poker very young. So for me I’ve never really – like when I was younger, when I was working my way up, I always thought about it. Well, even if I lose all of my money, I’m still way ahead in poker because I spent money on traveling and just living life. So … – How old were you about then when you were really doing well? – I think I made a lot of money when I first started playing poker. It was when I had finished high school. I was 18 years – or maybe – I was 18 or 19 years old. I must have been 18 and then between high school and college. I think that summer I made like $70,000 or $80,000 playing poker online, which for an 18-year-old kid is all the money in the universe. – That’s quite incredible because my boy is 17 and he has just started a part-time job and he was telling me yesterday he wanted to buy himself a 40-pound Gucci bandana but he said, “There’s something stopping me dad and I don’t know what it is.” So how on earth – what would you do if you had $80,000? I mean what was it like around then, around money with $80,000 at that age? I mean what were you thinking, feeling? – I thought it was awesome. I thought – I was always kind of a rebel and I thought I had found a way where I could buck the system. You know, we’re going to have to go to school and have to get a job and a cubicle. You know, and I have enough money to do whatever I want, which all I wanted to do was go out and have 10 drinks and travel. So that was plenty of money to do that. – Before you found poker, what did you want to do? You know, when you dream as a kid, what is it that you wanted to be? – I’m not – I don’t really know. I knew for sure that I don’t want to follow the conventional path. The first time I saw poker on TV, I wanted to be a professional poker player. I thought this was so cool. These guys don’t have a job, don’t have to work for the man. They just play a game all day and that was very appealing to me. What was it about your life at the time that made you – made a real impression on you, that you said, “There’s no way I’m going to have this conventional life.” Was it a struggle in school? Was it anything to do …? – Just to me it always seemed kind of like fake to me. I think nowadays maybe people are more open-minded with the advent of social media and the internet. But where I grew up was a very like prominent suburban town where everyone kind of was encouraged to follow the traditional path. Like where I went to high school, I think 98 percent of the people went to college after high school and that whole path never really made sense to me. Like in middle school, they tell you, “Oh, you have to do really good and get good grades because high school is going to be so much harder,” and then in high school they’re like, “Oh, you have to get good grades to go to a good college,” and then you got to go to a good college. You get a good job and make good money and for me, I guess never wanted to do that. So I was always kind of like, “What’s the point?” – And I guess there was also a part of you that would say, “OK. I don’t want to do this. But I do want the money and I do want a nice lifestyle. So what am I going to do?” – Yeah, exactly. So that’s what really appealed to me in poker, that it was kind of a way to like block the traditional lifestyle, the traditional system and still do what I wanted with my life. – Did you avoid the job scenario completely or did you at some point get a job? – No. I worked some odd jobs when I was in high school. I worked in my friend’s greenhouse like unloading like trees and flowers once a week. Then I even worked as a janitor and actually I’ve made quite a bit of money playing poker when I was maybe like 17, maybe like $1000 which, you know, to me that was a lot of money at the time. Then I lost it all and I had to take a job as a janitor just to get some money to play poker again. – Right. – And then after that, I kind of had a little bit more respect for money because playing poker was a lot more fun than cleaning toilets. – Being a janitor yeah, I get that.